You Shouldn't be in HR if...with Kelvin Thomas of LeggUP

What does a coach do? Who needs a coach for their career? How can a coach help you?

Today we’re talking with Kelvin Thomas, the Director of Coaching Experience. As director, he has a special interest in various levels and types of coaching, motivation, leadership, and company culture. Kelvin has an eclectic background of impressive achievements. He shares how he utilizes all these experiences to help better himself and his career. He also shares an important but hurtful lesson that changed the projection of his career path.Before coming to LeggUp, he was the founder at Position Consultants, Vice President ofBusiness Development and Operations at Pillar College, and the CMO of Marketing and VisualMerchandising at Under Armour, and the Brand Director at The Body Shop. Kelvin has a MBA at Trevecca Nazarene University.

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Talking Points:

• How to avoid boxing people in or limiting people
• Taking charge of your career
• What it means to be a coach and what a coach does
• Who benefits from a coach or thought partner
• How compliance can hinder as well as help
• What it means to really be seen
• Looking for fit during your job interview
• Strategic planning to change a company culture for the better

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Resources/Links: 

• Kelvin's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvin-thomas-mba-pcc-cpc-nlp-0741167/
• Kelvin's email: kelvin.thomas@leggup.com
• Tom's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomfinnleggup/
• Talent Empowerment LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/talent-empowerment-podcast/
• LeggUP website: www.leggup.com

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[Unknown7]: welcome to the talent empowerment podcast ladies and gents where we lift up people

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[Unknown6]: welcome to the talent empowerment podcast ladies and gents where we lift up people

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[Unknown7]: leaders so you can lift up your organizations i am your host tom finn and today i

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[Unknown6]: leaders so you can lift up your organizations i am your host tom finn and to day i

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[Unknown7]: have kelvin thomas in the room with me kelvin welcome to the show

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[Unknown6]: have kelvin thomas in the room with me kelvin welcome to the show awesome glad to

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[Unknown6]: be here tom thank you and hello everyone

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[Unknown7]: well if you don't know kelvin today he is the director of coaching experience at

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[Unknown6]: well if you don't know kelvin uh today he is the director of coaching experience

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[Unknown7]: leg up he is also an ic f certified professional coach himself

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[Unknown6]: at leg up he is also an ic f certified professional coach himself

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[Unknown7]: but he's had an interesting journey leading him into the coaching world which is

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[Unknown7]: one reason we invited him onto the show today in his past lives kelvin was the vp

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[Unknown6]: one reason we invited him ono the show today in his past lives kelvin was the vp

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[Unknown7]: within the pillar college he was the head of retail marketing and in store present

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[Unknown6]: within the pillar college he was the head of retail marketing and in store

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[Unknown7]: i have worked with you for a little over a year and uh have nothing but respect

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[Unknown7]: you have something to sell

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[Unknown6]: and i know some may not agree with this but i truly believe what the ic f has done

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[Unknown6]: so we're not therapists so we don't want to go down that road and we're not sports

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[Unknown6]: when you've had a glass of red wine totally totally or when they or when they give

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[Unknown7]: yeah so let's unpack that a little bit so the i c f for those that don't know

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[Unknown7]: international coaching federation as kelvin mentioned is an organization really

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[Unknown6]: international coaching federation as kalvin mentioned is an organization really

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[Unknown6]: designed to set standards in the coaching space and it is for personal and

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[Unknown7]: professional coaching to improve the lives of others and there are real standards

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[Unknown6]: professional coaching to improve the lives of others and there are real standards

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[Unknown7]: certainly something that as an organization legg up has relied on to make sure

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[Unknown6]: certainly something that as an organization leg up has relied on to make sure that

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[Unknown7]: that the quality of the people that we engage with

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[Unknown6]: the quality of the people that we engage with

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[Unknown7]: is that a very high quality

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[Unknown6]: is that a very high quality

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[Unknown7]: you know just like an accountant or an attorney

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[Unknown6]: you know just like an accountant or an attorney

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[Unknown7]: in that space as a professional there are very professional coaches that take

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[Unknown7]: you do a great job so now i can step off my soapbox now that i've a public service

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[Unknown6]: you do a great job so now i can step off my soapbox now that i've public service

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[Unknown7]: announcement everybody

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[Unknown6]: announcement ever exactly let me step up my soapbox so let's let let's go back to

439
00:18:09,311 --> 00:18:15,471
[Unknown7]: let me step off my so box so let's let's go back to sort of your early career we

440
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,000
[Unknown6]: sort of your early career we talked about don't box people in

441
00:18:15,631 --> 00:18:22,511
[Unknown7]: talked about don't box people in um really you know your past resume shouldn't

442
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,120
[Unknown6]: really you know your past resume shouldn't prescribe your next role

443
00:18:22,591 --> 00:18:24,591
[Unknown7]: prescribe your next role

444
00:18:26,431 --> 00:18:28,831
[Unknown7]: so you and i met a little over a year ago

445
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280
[Unknown6]: so you and i met a little over ago

446
00:18:30,031 --> 00:18:33,711
[Unknown7]: and you were working at a university at the time

447
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:37,440
[Unknown6]: and you were working at a university at the time absolutely which is interesting

448
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,240
[Unknown6]: in itself it's so interesting in

449
00:18:40,271 --> 00:18:41,391
[Unknown7]: it one

450
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,400
[Unknown6]: that my entire career has been in retail and some level you know retail marketing

451
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,760
[Unknown6]: branding those things and here i am at

452
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[Unknown7]: and

453
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[Unknown6]: a university

454
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,240
[Unknown6]: my you know life journey takes me there i'm at a university

455
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[Unknown6]: where you know

456
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[Unknown7]: yeah

457
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[Unknown6]: i had i held several roles i was head of marketing i was the executive vice

458
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:07,200
[Unknown6]: president of that university literally overseeing all staff the entire team there

459
00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:08,860
[Unknown6]: and then um

460
00:19:08,451 --> 00:19:09,451
[Unknown7]: up

461
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,080
[Unknown6]: before transitioning into to le up i was the vice president of business

462
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[Unknown6]: development and operations for

463
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[Unknown7]: well

464
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,720
[Unknown6]: the organization and so there's nothing

465
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[Unknown7]: let me

466
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040
[Unknown6]: what's interesting there's nothing in my past that would suggest

467
00:19:23,411 --> 00:19:24,411
[Unknown7]: the

468
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,920
[Unknown6]: that i would be there nothing

469
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[Unknown7]: um

470
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[Unknown6]: and which

471
00:19:27,491 --> 00:19:28,491
[Unknown7]: but

472
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,160
[Unknown6]: i also kind of it for me it's

473
00:19:29,811 --> 00:19:30,811
[Unknown7]: right

474
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,200
[Unknown6]: like you know we have to release these limiting beliefs of

475
00:19:35,231 --> 00:19:36,751
[Unknown7]: how one so

476
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,200
[Unknown6]: what someone can bring um to us and the value that they can add and i think you

477
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,840
[Unknown6]: know that move from me into the university was

478
00:19:43,491 --> 00:19:44,491
[Unknown7]: was

479
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,440
[Unknown6]: all about that it was about releasing for myself limiting beliefs you know i maybe

480
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:55,200
[Unknown6]: couldn't show up there or what i possibly couldn't do there but then also for the

481
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,360
[Unknown6]: members of and staff there

482
00:19:57,391 --> 00:19:58,511
[Unknown7]: eight two

483
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,160
[Unknown6]: to you know not limit me

484
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,720
[Unknown6]: based on my background

485
00:20:04,911 --> 00:20:08,911
[Unknown7]: yeah look everybody has a story and a journey i think i think what we're saying if

486
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,520
[Unknown6]: yeah look everybody has a story and a journey i think i think what we're saying if

487
00:20:08,911 --> 00:20:12,511
[Unknown7]: you're managing people if you're hiring people

488
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,120
[Unknown6]: you're managing people if you're hiring people

489
00:20:13,551 --> 00:20:18,031
[Unknown7]: you really should look for incredible character in the person

490
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,480
[Unknown6]: you really should look for incredible character in the person

491
00:20:19,071 --> 00:20:20,751
[Unknown7]: and some track record of success

492
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,280
[Unknown6]: and some track record of success

493
00:20:21,651 --> 00:20:22,651
[Unknown7]: but look for

494
00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:23,180
[Unknown6]: but look for

495
00:20:23,411 --> 00:20:24,411
[Unknown7]: the person

496
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,360
[Unknown6]: the person that is going fit well in your team that is

497
00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:28,351
[Unknown7]: that is going to fit well in your team that is going to fit well at that

498
00:20:28,511 --> 00:20:31,951
[Unknown7]: point in time in your organization and that's going to get along really well with

499
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,000
[Unknown6]: at that point in time in your organization and that's going to get along really

500
00:20:31,951 --> 00:20:37,311
[Unknown7]: their coworkers and then the other comment i would make is you look for a gs d

501
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,040
[Unknown6]: well with their coworkers and then the other comment i would make is you look for

502
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:43,200
[Unknown6]: a gd profile and if you don't know what that is ear muffs if you're under eighteen

503
00:20:37,551 --> 00:20:43,151
[Unknown7]: profile and if you don't know what that is earmuffs if you're under eighteen a gs

504
00:20:43,231 --> 00:20:48,431
[Unknown7]: d profile get done it just means that you come to work with some energy and some

505
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,600
[Unknown6]: a gs d profile get done it just means that you

506
00:20:48,511 --> 00:20:53,951
[Unknown7]: fire and you are looking forward to being there and getting things done and so

507
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,440
[Unknown6]: energy and some fire and you are looking forward to being there and getting things

508
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,840
[Unknown6]: done and so that's what i look for the gs dd profile with a lotta kindness

509
00:20:53,951 --> 00:20:59,391
[Unknown7]: that's what i look for the gs d profile uh with a lot of kindness sprinkled in and

510
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,880
[Unknown6]: sprinkled in

511
00:20:59,471 --> 00:21:00,671
[Unknown7]: a lot of talent as well

512
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,200
[Unknown6]: and a lot of talent as well

513
00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:05,391
[Unknown7]: along the way so i think that's the takeaway really kelvin

514
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,320
[Unknown6]: along the way so i think that's the takeaway really really kelvin yeah

515
00:21:06,591 --> 00:21:09,231
[Unknown7]: so tell me about leg up you run the

516
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,000
[Unknown6]: so tell me about leg up you run the

517
00:21:10,271 --> 00:21:12,031
[Unknown7]: global network of coaches

518
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560
[Unknown6]: global network of coaches

519
00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:14,911
[Unknown7]: for leg up how how does that work

520
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,480
[Unknown6]: for leg up how does that work yes so

521
00:21:16,891 --> 00:21:17,891
[Unknown7]: i get

522
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,280
[Unknown6]: it's interesting i was thinking about this prior to us getting on the line is how

523
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,600
[Unknown6]: my entire background totally fits in this role that i'm in right so my marketing

524
00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:30,980
[Unknown6]: business development

525
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,280
[Unknown6]: operations role all of those things it's a perfect package in the work that i do

526
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,560
[Unknown6]: today and so in overseeing this you know

527
00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:41,211
[Unknown7]: no

528
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,880
[Unknown6]: global network of coaches is

529
00:21:42,691 --> 00:21:43,691
[Unknown7]: right

530
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,960
[Unknown6]: really to build out you know

531
00:21:44,611 --> 00:21:45,611
[Unknown7]: yeah

532
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,440
[Unknown6]: i build out a team of coaches to support our

533
00:21:47,011 --> 00:21:48,011
[Unknown7]: what

534
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,080
[Unknown6]: enterprises and our enterprises and the members

535
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,600
[Unknown6]: that enroll in our programs and what's important

536
00:21:53,711 --> 00:21:56,511
[Unknown7]: what is one one

537
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800
[Unknown6]: is to ensure that we have coaches on the network

538
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,480
[Unknown6]: that not only are i cf i think that's you know a lot of times i don't want to make

539
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:03,180
[Unknown6]: that

540
00:22:02,291 --> 00:22:03,291
[Unknown7]: exact

541
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,560
[Unknown6]: the only standard that

542
00:22:04,131 --> 00:22:05,131
[Unknown7]: that

543
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,960
[Unknown6]: is one of the standards you know i think someone who has a

544
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,560
[Unknown6]: professional background that can relate to individuals where they are they have

545
00:22:09,451 --> 00:22:10,451
[Unknown7]: six by

546
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,440
[Unknown6]: their own story of triumph right

547
00:22:17,291 --> 00:22:18,291
[Unknown7]: right and

548
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,640
[Unknown6]: they understand or they're in that process of understanding themselves because

549
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,920
[Unknown6]: that's the first thing you have

550
00:22:23,491 --> 00:22:24,491
[Unknown7]: one

551
00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:24,740
[Unknown6]: to understand

552
00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:25,691
[Unknown7]: seven

553
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,680
[Unknown6]: yourself to be able to help and to understand others and so our coaches are

554
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,400
[Unknown6]: constantly trained we do a monthly webinar teaching them all types of skills to be

555
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,040
[Unknown6]: able to really help our members and those enterprises unlock potential

556
00:22:41,411 --> 00:22:42,411
[Unknown7]: and

557
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,120
[Unknown6]: and you know i think you know that word and even that phrase unlike potential we

558
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100
[Unknown6]: hear it so much

559
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,720
[Unknown6]: but that's exactly what it is it's everyone has more

560
00:22:52,451 --> 00:22:53,451
[Unknown7]: what

561
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520
[Unknown6]: that they can bring to the table there's more

562
00:22:55,171 --> 00:22:56,171
[Unknown7]: what

563
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,840
[Unknown6]: that they can do and not so much from a work persp more work that they can do but

564
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,200
[Unknown6]: yes they can be more productive

565
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,640
[Unknown6]: but they can really help to add to the growth and the development of the

566
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,240
[Unknown6]: organization but they have to be unlocked there's there's spaces and places within

567
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,880
[Unknown6]: us that hold us back from bringing all of ourselves to to the table

568
00:23:17,311 --> 00:23:22,991
[Unknown7]: what do you say to hr leaders that respond and think that's hokey right i mean

569
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,520
[Unknown6]: what do you say to hr leaders that respond and think that's hokey right i mean

570
00:23:23,231 --> 00:23:26,431
[Unknown7]: there's there's gotta be a portion of people out there i can tell you i've talked

571
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
[Unknown6]: there's there's got to be a portion of people out there i can tell you i've talked

572
00:23:26,511 --> 00:23:30,671
[Unknown7]: to them that think well coaching do i really want to help my people

573
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,280
[Unknown6]: to them that think well coaching do i really want to help my people

574
00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:36,991
[Unknown7]: is this a real serious science is it going is it really going to develop anybody

575
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,520
[Unknown6]: is this a real serious science is it gonna is it really going to develop anybody

576
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,151
[Unknown7]: what do you say to those folks

577
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,600
[Unknown6]: what do you say to those folks

578
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,840
[Unknown6]: well that makes me nervous because i hope that you're not the leader of people

579
00:23:45,491 --> 00:23:46,491
[Unknown7]: it

580
00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:47,260
[Unknown6]: um

581
00:23:47,171 --> 00:23:48,171
[Unknown7]: uh

582
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:53,600
[Unknown6]: because to question if an investment and someone's development is going to yield

583
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:54,340
[Unknown6]: results

584
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,360
[Unknown6]: or if that's going to help and especially from the coaching perspective which i

585
00:23:54,031 --> 00:23:55,711
[Unknown7]: so oh that's

586
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280
[Unknown6]: think there's enough statistics and enough information out there and if you have

587
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:05,840
[Unknown6]: any questions just go visit the leg up site and you can see for yourself

588
00:24:05,791 --> 00:24:07,871
[Unknown7]: so that this is the

589
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,400
[Unknown6]: it's it makes measurable

590
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,440
[Unknown6]: differences there you can

591
00:24:11,411 --> 00:24:12,411
[Unknown7]: yeah

592
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,040
[Unknown6]: literally measure the difference

593
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,720
[Unknown6]: for an individual when they start a coaching from when they start a coaching

594
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,120
[Unknown6]: program to the end of their coaching program and you can see how that needle is

595
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,800
[Unknown6]: being moved so yeah i would i would ask you to reconsider um one

596
00:24:28,371 --> 00:24:29,371
[Unknown7]: what

597
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,560
[Unknown6]: in all kindness and all fairness won the role that you're in because maybe that's

598
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:35,340
[Unknown6]: not the right

599
00:24:35,231 --> 00:24:38,591
[Unknown7]: that's right yeah if you're thinking that that you don't want to help your people

600
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,040
[Unknown6]: role that's right yeah you' thinking that that you don't want to help your people

601
00:24:38,991 --> 00:24:43,311
[Unknown7]: maybe maybe you are in the wrong job in a nice way that we don't want to take jobs

602
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,840
[Unknown6]: maybe maybe you are in the wrong job in a nice way that we don't want to take jobs

603
00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:47,951
[Unknown7]: that aren't good for us either right we want to be in roles that lift us up and

604
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,760
[Unknown6]: that that aren't good for us either absolutely we want to be in roles that lift us

605
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,080
[Unknown6]: up and our organizations and if people are feeling that way there's probably a

606
00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:51,711
[Unknown7]: our organizations and if people are feeling that way there's probably a different

607
00:24:51,951 --> 00:24:54,671
[Unknown7]: job within the organization that would be better for them

608
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,760
[Unknown6]: different job within the organization that would be better for them yeah you know

609
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,160
[Unknown6]: tom what's interesting and you know sometimes when we're speaking to hr leaders we

610
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,440
[Unknown6]: we come across this you know i think any most people i would say majority of the

611
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,600
[Unknown6]: people that move into these hr positions

612
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,360
[Unknown6]: actually they have a great concern for people and they want to see them grow they

613
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,800
[Unknown6]: want to see them develop however once they get into the role they're so bog down

614
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,020
[Unknown6]: with compliance

615
00:25:20,131 --> 00:25:21,131
[Unknown7]: yeah

616
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,000
[Unknown6]: and making sure that i've crossed all you know crossed all the tss and i doted all

617
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,520
[Unknown6]: the eyes and that you know

618
00:25:27,091 --> 00:25:28,091
[Unknown7]: you

619
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:28,460
[Unknown6]: that the company

620
00:25:28,211 --> 00:25:29,211
[Unknown7]: me

621
00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:29,420
[Unknown6]: isn't at risk

622
00:25:29,331 --> 00:25:30,331
[Unknown7]: nine

623
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,000
[Unknown6]: to a lawsuit that we sometimes put the people part of it the human part of it

624
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:37,900
[Unknown6]: last

625
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,160
[Unknown6]: or sometimes we forget completely about it and i you know a lot of times when

626
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,400
[Unknown6]: we're talking to hr leaders and they hear what coaching can do and they see how we

627
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,840
[Unknown6]: partner they're excited because they realize yeah this is this is what i've always

628
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:52,780
[Unknown6]: wanted to do

629
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,360
[Unknown6]: and i've just been so focused on something else and not that that's something else

630
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:58,180
[Unknown6]: isn't important

631
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,920
[Unknown6]: but it's taken my eye off the ball of developing people and and seeing people grow

632
00:26:05,151 --> 00:26:11,151
[Unknown7]: yeah i agree i i think the compliance piece has been a heavy burden on hr leaders

633
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,680
[Unknown6]: yeah i agree i i think the compliance piece has been a heavy burden on hr leaders

634
00:26:11,311 --> 00:26:15,471
[Unknown7]: for a couple of decades and it continues to be a weight

635
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,760
[Unknown6]: for a couple of decades and it continues to be a way

636
00:26:16,171 --> 00:26:17,171
[Unknown7]: for these

637
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,640
[Unknown6]: for these individuals and quite frankly i think that belongs

638
00:26:17,151 --> 00:26:22,911
[Unknown7]: individuals and quite frankly i think that belongs in with the legal team and i

639
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,320
[Unknown6]: with the legal team and i think legal teams should be handling compliance and you

640
00:26:22,991 --> 00:26:27,951
[Unknown7]: think legal teams should be handling compliance and you can beef up your associate

641
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,040
[Unknown6]: can beef up your associate level of a legal team without it costing you much more

642
00:26:28,111 --> 00:26:32,991
[Unknown7]: level of a legal team without it costing you much more and you give people

643
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,680
[Unknown6]: and you give people development and people operations to these wonderful people

644
00:26:33,231 --> 00:26:37,711
[Unknown7]: development and people operations to these wonderful people leaders

645
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:38,580
[Unknown6]: leaders

646
00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:42,191
[Unknown7]: that are really thinking outside the box and quite frankly it's really about

647
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,640
[Unknown6]: that are really thinking outside the box and quite frankly it's really about

648
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:47,711
[Unknown7]: innovation today in how we treat people and how how we empower

649
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,160
[Unknown6]: innovation today in how we treat people and how we how we empower

650
00:26:49,391 --> 00:26:53,631
[Unknown7]: organizations and employees versus point the finger and tell them what the what to

651
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,240
[Unknown6]: organizations and employees versus point the finger and tell them what what to do

652
00:26:53,251 --> 00:26:54,251
[Unknown7]: do

653
00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,880
[Unknown6]: well i would go as far as to say i think that the those days are over you know if

654
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,400
[Unknown6]: we didn't if we're not you know reading the tea leaves if you will from what has

655
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,760
[Unknown6]: happened through this experience with covid and the number of employees that are

656
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,280
[Unknown6]: leaving you know leaving companies that have been there for years or the companies

657
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,560
[Unknown6]: that can't find talent and they can't bring people in and part of it is because

658
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
[Unknown6]: people want to know that you're investing in them

659
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,040
[Unknown6]: people want people wanna be where they i i always say this i say i've said this

660
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,000
[Unknown6]: for years where they are seen and they are heard

661
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,240
[Unknown6]: and if they know that their organization sees them and if they know that their

662
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,240
[Unknown6]: organization hears them and that's not just you see me i'm walking down the

663
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,440
[Unknown6]: hallway and you say hi which is nice but that's not being seen or you know that

664
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,960
[Unknown6]: you hear me because you know one day in some you know talent hall meeting that you

665
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,360
[Unknown6]: know i raised my hand and gave feedback okay you know i'm hearing you no but

666
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,040
[Unknown6]: you're you're seeing me as a person you're seeing the value that i add and we're

667
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:10,000
[Unknown6]: creating a partnership to say you know what i want to invest in that i really see

668
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,480
[Unknown6]: you i see where you want to go i see where you want to develop or who you want to

669
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400
[Unknown6]: develop into and yeah i want to be a part of that i

670
00:28:17,971 --> 00:28:18,971
[Unknown7]: yeah

671
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,280
[Unknown6]: think it's what's key is this whole idea and another thing i've always talked

672
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,640
[Unknown6]: about is when i join an organization including leg up when i joined for me it's

673
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,680
[Unknown6]: it' about a partnership it wasn't oh this is you know this is by employer because

674
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,040
[Unknown6]: we're doing two things the employer is bringing their resources right to pay you

675
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,720
[Unknown6]: and an opportunity for you to um use your gifts and talent and skill then at the

676
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,080
[Unknown6]: same time the employee is bringing their gifts their talents and their

677
00:28:50,011 --> 00:28:51,011
[Unknown7]: yeah yeah

678
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,720
[Unknown6]: skills yeah so that's the partnership we are part the partnership i always say the

679
00:28:52,191 --> 00:28:55,871
[Unknown7]: it's it the partnership i always say the same thing it's a two way street right

680
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,640
[Unknown6]: same thing it's a two way street right and i always tell this to people going into

681
00:28:56,511 --> 00:28:59,551
[Unknown7]: and i always tell this to people going into interviews whether you're going in for

682
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,480
[Unknown6]: interviews whether you're going in for an hr promotion or a different role at a

683
00:28:59,631 --> 00:29:03,631
[Unknown7]: an hr promotion or a different role at a different company or whatever it might be

684
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,800
[Unknown6]: different company or whatever it might be in in terms of an interview i was tell

685
00:29:04,431 --> 00:29:08,191
[Unknown7]: in in terms of an interview i was tell people look there's no reason to be nervous

686
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:07,620
[Unknown6]: people look

687
00:29:08,431 --> 00:29:12,431
[Unknown7]: what you're looking for is fit you're looking for that organization to provide you

688
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,720
[Unknown6]: be nervous what you're looking for is fit you're looking for that organization to

689
00:29:12,591 --> 00:29:15,471
[Unknown7]: with the things that you need at that point in your life and they might be

690
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,760
[Unknown6]: provide you with the things that you need at that point in your life and they

691
00:29:15,551 --> 00:29:19,391
[Unknown7]: different from decade to decade you might need different things in your life

692
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,760
[Unknown6]: might be different from decade to decade you might need different things in your

693
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:20,460
[Unknown6]: life

694
00:29:20,691 --> 00:29:21,691
[Unknown7]: and it's

695
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
[Unknown6]: and it's got to be a two way street so don't be nervous because you you should be

696
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,231
[Unknown7]: got to be a two way street so don't be nervous because you should be interviewing

697
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360
[Unknown6]: interviewing the employer as much

698
00:29:25,311 --> 00:29:30,591
[Unknown7]: the employer as much as the employer is interviewing you and i think some people

699
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,240
[Unknown6]: here is interviewing you and i think some people tend to feel like oh my gosh i'm

700
00:29:30,831 --> 00:29:36,911
[Unknown7]: tend to feel like oh my gosh i'm on the spot and i'm being interviewed and then we

701
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,120
[Unknown6]: on the spot and i'm being interviewed and then we get the nerves and the

702
00:29:37,071 --> 00:29:42,831
[Unknown7]: get the nerves and the anxiousness and the anxiety which really if you just the

703
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,320
[Unknown6]: anxiousness and the anxiety which really you if you just turn the cup a little bit

704
00:29:42,831 --> 00:29:46,511
[Unknown7]: cup a little bit and look at it a little bit differently i think you're you're

705
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,400
[Unknown6]: and look at it a little bit differently i think you're very much in the driver's

706
00:29:46,591 --> 00:29:48,751
[Unknown7]: very much in the driver's seat as an employee

707
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,840
[Unknown6]: seat as an employee yeah it's interesting you know i think about my transition to

708
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,320
[Unknown6]: my interview process even with leg up you know i connect it with you great

709
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,480
[Unknown6]: conversation then i connected

710
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,480
[Unknown6]: at that time with your senior vice president great conversation

711
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520
[Unknown6]: and then we spoke again it was like okay who do you want to talk to i'm like okay

712
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,200
[Unknown6]: well i'd like to talk

713
00:30:10,851 --> 00:30:11,851
[Unknown7]: sure

714
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,160
[Unknown6]: to a few more people and we put that list together and those conversations were

715
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,520
[Unknown6]: they were so fulfilling first it was so telling of the type of organization i was

716
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,360
[Unknown6]: stepping into because nothing was off limits i could have spoken to anyone and i

717
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,600
[Unknown6]: spoke to a lot of individuals within the

718
00:30:29,491 --> 00:30:30,491
[Unknown7]: yeah

719
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,480
[Unknown6]: organization and a lot of it was just

720
00:30:32,051 --> 00:30:33,051
[Unknown7]: j

721
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,240
[Unknown6]: to get a feel for yeah

722
00:30:34,091 --> 00:30:35,091
[Unknown7]: yeah well

723
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,840
[Unknown6]: what do you like about this

724
00:30:35,951 --> 00:30:37,471
[Unknown7]: this this in

725
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,600
[Unknown6]: this place that you work and what motivates you and why do you keep coming back

726
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,560
[Unknown6]: and you know listen i know a lot of the technical things of what the sales team

727
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,760
[Unknown6]: needs to do and the marketing team and the tech team however it was it was more

728
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,360
[Unknown6]: than that i wanted to know what was happening for the people within the

729
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,000
[Unknown6]: organization and when i saw no there's a true investment and there's a true

730
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,240
[Unknown6]: concern for them it's like yeah this is this is what i want to be a part of

731
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800
[Unknown6]: because i know what i'm bringing to the table right just

732
00:31:04,371 --> 00:31:05,371
[Unknown7]: yeah

733
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,360
[Unknown6]: like i think for hr leaders i think that's one thing that that's important you

734
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
[Unknown6]: know like you also want to know that the individual that you're interviewing they

735
00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:16,380
[Unknown6]: do have a

736
00:31:16,251 --> 00:31:17,251
[Unknown7]: i don't know

737
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640
[Unknown6]: realization of what they're bringing to the table

738
00:31:18,531 --> 00:31:19,531
[Unknown7]: yeah

739
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,680
[Unknown6]: you know because that's what's going to make the difference well it's cultural

740
00:31:22,191 --> 00:31:25,871
[Unknown7]: well it's cultural right it's it's all about culture within an organization and

741
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,000
[Unknown6]: right it's all about culture within an organization and within a team and i've

742
00:31:25,951 --> 00:31:31,791
[Unknown7]: within a team and i've been in bad organizational cultures and wonderful team

743
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,400
[Unknown6]: been in bad organizational cultures and wonderful team cultures inside that

744
00:31:32,031 --> 00:31:37,231
[Unknown7]: cultures inside that organization and i've been in the opposite too i've been in

745
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,360
[Unknown6]: organization and i've been in the opposite too i've been in massive companies that

746
00:31:37,871 --> 00:31:42,271
[Unknown7]: massive companies that have incredible culture i just happened to be on a team

747
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,480
[Unknown6]: have incredible culture i just happened to be on a team that had maybe not the

748
00:31:42,911 --> 00:31:48,191
[Unknown7]: that had maybe not the best leader on it and or or quite frankly maybe the leader

749
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,320
[Unknown6]: best leader on it and or quite frankly maybe the leader just kept changing right

750
00:31:48,271 --> 00:31:53,311
[Unknown7]: just kept changing right and the organization had a great culture but i just was

751
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
[Unknown6]: and the organization had a great culture but i just was in a spot where i had new

752
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:57,631
[Unknown7]: in a spot where i had new boss after new boss after new boss after new boss and i

753
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,720
[Unknown6]: boss after new boss after new boss afternoon boss and i know there's some people

754
00:31:57,711 --> 00:32:02,191
[Unknown7]: know there are some people out there that can resemble that remark for sure

755
00:31:58,620 --> 00:31:59,620
[Unknown6]: out there that can

756
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
[Unknown6]: resemble that remark for sure

757
00:32:03,231 --> 00:32:06,991
[Unknown7]: but culture i think is the most important part of this discussion right and it's

758
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,600
[Unknown6]: but culture i think is the most important part of this discussion right and it's

759
00:32:07,071 --> 00:32:10,751
[Unknown7]: really about setting the right culture hiring the right people and during the

760
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,280
[Unknown6]: really about setting the right culture hiring the right people and during the

761
00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:12,191
[Unknown7]: onboarding and interview process

762
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,640
[Unknown6]: onboarding and interview process

763
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:13,931
[Unknown7]: open up

764
00:32:13,711 --> 00:32:18,431
[Unknown7]: the kimono let's find out what's really going on there because i always tell

765
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
[Unknown6]: open up the kono let's find out what's really going on there

766
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,360
[Unknown6]: because i always tell people look i don't want you to be here if you don't want to

767
00:32:18,591 --> 00:32:21,151
[Unknown7]: people look i don't want you to be here if you don't want to be here

768
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:21,980
[Unknown6]: be here

769
00:32:22,131 --> 00:32:23,131
[Unknown7]: this is

770
00:32:22,831 --> 00:32:28,751
[Unknown7]: intended to be a good fit so i want you to see everything the good the not so good

771
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,520
[Unknown6]: this is intended to be a good fit so i want you to see everything the good

772
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,360
[Unknown6]: the not so good the incredible the the difficult days right because because

773
00:32:29,311 --> 00:32:33,871
[Unknown7]: the incredible the the difficult days right 'cause there's all of that in every

774
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200
[Unknown6]: there's all of that in every company and make sure that it's the right fit and the

775
00:32:34,031 --> 00:32:37,951
[Unknown7]: company and make sure that it's the right fit and the right time for that person

776
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:38,220
[Unknown6]: right time for that person

777
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,840
[Unknown6]: one hundred percent i couldn't concur

778
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,840
[Unknown6]: more with what you're sharing i think you know what's interesting as well and i

779
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:48,780
[Unknown6]: think about this

780
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,920
[Unknown6]: the demands for an employer and especially i think because it really starts to sit

781
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560
[Unknown6]: within that hr department right the demands that they have today is probably

782
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,480
[Unknown6]: greater than they've had in the past

783
00:33:02,211 --> 00:33:03,211
[Unknown7]: yes

784
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,640
[Unknown6]: i mean that is just a reality

785
00:33:04,431 --> 00:33:05,551
[Unknown7]: yes absolutely

786
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:06,860
[Unknown6]: absolutely knows this

787
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:08,860
[Unknown6]: and so

788
00:33:08,451 --> 00:33:09,451
[Unknown7]: so

789
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560
[Unknown6]: i don't i always take the approach that it

790
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,400
[Unknown6]: is impossible to meet that demand by

791
00:33:12,671 --> 00:33:14,351
[Unknown7]: a dot com s

792
00:33:16,051 --> 00:33:17,051
[Unknown7]: but

793
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,000
[Unknown6]: yourself right

794
00:33:17,571 --> 00:33:18,571
[Unknown7]: right

795
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,520
[Unknown6]: everybody needs a partner everyone needs a part every you know i think our as

796
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:24,740
[Unknown6]: humans we develop

797
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280
[Unknown6]: you know we become our best selves in partnerships

798
00:33:29,011 --> 00:33:30,011
[Unknown7]: yeah

799
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280
[Unknown6]: right whether that's friendships whether that's in family units whether that's you

800
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,800
[Unknown6]: know working for someone however that is we become our best selves and

801
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,440
[Unknown6]: partnerships because it allows us to see ourselves it allows us to see where we

802
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,760
[Unknown6]: may need to improve of what we may need to develop and i think you know for hr

803
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,160
[Unknown6]: leaders you know my hat goes off to them i understand it they are probably

804
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,920
[Unknown6]: stretched thin um

805
00:33:51,691 --> 00:33:52,691
[Unknown7]: at the

806
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,680
[Unknown6]: definitely stressed with

807
00:33:53,571 --> 00:33:54,571
[Unknown7]: of

808
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,120
[Unknown6]: all of the demands of bringing a new workforce in figuring out you know how do you

809
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560
[Unknown6]: do remote and you know working from home and all of those things

810
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,200
[Unknown6]: and you know organizations and i don't want to

811
00:34:06,771 --> 00:34:07,771
[Unknown7]: if

812
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,920
[Unknown6]: seem like i'm trying to plug this but i i know what coaching can do and so finding

813
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
[Unknown6]: an organization that can support you like

814
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:15,631
[Unknown7]: like we

815
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920
[Unknown6]: i think we do here at leg up i think it's extremely important

816
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,120
[Unknown6]: and more and more organizations are starting to see that and so i want to

817
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,160
[Unknown6]: encourage you know and get off my soap box but encourage you know our hr leaders

818
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,440
[Unknown6]: you know that yeah you're not in it by yourself and if you

819
00:34:30,931 --> 00:34:31,931
[Unknown7]: they're not no

820
00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:33,620
[Unknown6]: you're not

821
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:37,471
[Unknown7]: well there are resources now for organizations i think i think the first sort of

822
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,920
[Unknown6]: what are resources now for organizations i think i think the first sort of

823
00:34:38,331 --> 00:34:39,331
[Unknown7]: know hair on

824
00:34:39,231 --> 00:34:43,071
[Unknown7]: the back of our neck that goes up when we hear this conversation if we're an hr is

825
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,800
[Unknown6]: hair on the back of our neck that goes up when we hear this conversation if we're

826
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,520
[Unknown6]: in hr is okay what about the cost though because i've got a limited budget

827
00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:48,511
[Unknown7]: okay what about the cost though because i've got a limited budget i have got to

828
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,160
[Unknown6]: i've got an answer to the cfo

829
00:34:48,591 --> 00:34:51,151
[Unknown7]: answer to the cfo i've got to

830
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,920
[Unknown6]: i've got to manage my resources appropriately i've got to be a good steward of my

831
00:34:51,231 --> 00:34:55,871
[Unknown7]: manage my resources appropriately i've got to be a good steward of my company's

832
00:34:55,951 --> 00:35:01,311
[Unknown7]: money and all of those things are correct so is it cost prohibitive

833
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,560
[Unknown6]: company's money and all of those things are correct so is it cost

834
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,120
[Unknown6]: i think that one of the things and this is what you know i love about the work

835
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,960
[Unknown6]: that we do is that it's easy to make coaching because we know the results that

836
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,280
[Unknown6]: come from coaching it's easy to make coaching

837
00:35:14,931 --> 00:35:15,931
[Unknown7]: i

838
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,800
[Unknown6]: an executive only benefit

839
00:35:16,851 --> 00:35:17,851
[Unknown7]: yeah

840
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,880
[Unknown6]: where you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars for one person to go

841
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,480
[Unknown6]: through coaching where i think what we've tried to do here at lake is to say you

842
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,040
[Unknown6]: know what really coaching should be accessible to everyone within the organization

843
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,320
[Unknown6]: and so you know i think what you and victor have done very well you've designed a

844
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:45,120
[Unknown6]: business model that allows anyone to play at almost any level which is unheard of

845
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,400
[Unknown6]: i'm going to tell you you know prior to coming to leg up i own my own business and

846
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,480
[Unknown6]: i did coaching and i know how much

847
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,560
[Unknown6]: i charge for coaching so because i know the results that it yields and so you know

848
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,280
[Unknown6]: to say okay now this is accessible to

849
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120
[Unknown6]: almost anyone within you know the organization

850
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:06,900
[Unknown6]: i think that

851
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,720
[Unknown6]: it's massive and so it's i would say no it's not cost prohibitive i think there is

852
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:19,520
[Unknown6]: enough options that that an hr leader or an organization can work through with us

853
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,360
[Unknown6]: to to find the right mix for them

854
00:36:22,031 --> 00:36:26,671
[Unknown7]: yeah i agree i think there's lots of options lots of pricing options in a way if

855
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,200
[Unknown6]: yeah i agree i think there's lots of options lots of pricing options in a way if

856
00:36:26,751 --> 00:36:31,951
[Unknown7]: you're willing to put in a few conversations to actually come up with a strategic

857
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,480
[Unknown6]: you're willing to put in a few conversations to actually come up with a strategic

858
00:36:31,651 --> 00:36:32,651
[Unknown7]: plan

859
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:33,180
[Unknown6]: plan

860
00:36:33,231 --> 00:36:38,511
[Unknown7]: that doesn't have to be a short term plan that can start today and be impactful

861
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,040
[Unknown6]: that doesn't have to be a short term plan that can start today and be impactful

862
00:36:38,671 --> 00:36:42,911
[Unknown7]: for the next decade and that's the way we look at strategic planning is how do we

863
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,440
[Unknown6]: for the next decade and that's the way we look at strategic planning is how do we

864
00:36:42,991 --> 00:36:47,631
[Unknown7]: set it up for today but really start to dig in in year two and you're three and

865
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,080
[Unknown6]: set it up for today but really start to dig in in year two and you're three and

866
00:36:47,711 --> 00:36:52,751
[Unknown7]: you're four and change the culture in a really positive way in the future

867
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,200
[Unknown6]: you're four and change the culture in a really positive way in the future

868
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:54,940
[Unknown6]: absolutely

869
00:36:54,911 --> 00:36:58,191
[Unknown7]: so calvin we have talked today about measurable impact

870
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720
[Unknown6]: so calvin we have talked today about measurable impact

871
00:36:59,311 --> 00:37:01,871
[Unknown7]: and the work that you've done your sort of origin story

872
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400
[Unknown6]: and the work that you've done your sort of origin story

873
00:37:03,551 --> 00:37:08,271
[Unknown7]: couple of takeaways that i have that i just want to get your thoughts on so first

874
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,720
[Unknown6]: couple of takeaways that i have that i just want to get your thoughts on so first

875
00:37:08,431 --> 00:37:13,151
[Unknown7]: one i think i heard you say at some point let's not box people in based on their

876
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,600
[Unknown6]: one i think i heard you say at some point let's not box people in based on their

877
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[Unknown7]: background thoughts on that

878
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,280
[Unknown6]: background thoughts on that

879
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,120
[Unknown6]: though it's on that so you know i think when you think about um how someone

880
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,160
[Unknown6]: ultimately gets to you to your organization and when you're looking at things like

881
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,840
[Unknown6]: resume and you know do they have you know college education and you know have they

882
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,760
[Unknown6]: you know worked here here and there i think those things can be

883
00:37:35,651 --> 00:37:36,651
[Unknown7]: i

884
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,120
[Unknown6]: extremely limiting

885
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200
[Unknown6]: you know if you are a developer of people

886
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,880
[Unknown6]: i think part of what you should be looking for as you talked about tom you're

887
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,320
[Unknown6]: looking for fit you know do does this individual fit within our culture is this

888
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:59,760
[Unknown6]: individual hungry to to develop and to grow and i think grit is important we

889
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,480
[Unknown6]: don't talk about that but grid is important yeah you know

890
00:37:59,871 --> 00:38:01,391
[Unknown7]: yep oh yeah

891
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200
[Unknown6]: and you're looking clearly talent is important you're you're hiring people to do a

892
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,640
[Unknown6]: job so i'm not taking that away but i think we need to expand that a little bit

893
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,880
[Unknown6]: more you know i think earlier in my career

894
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,720
[Unknown6]: you know i i didn't want to think this but in hindsight looking back at it i can

895
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,880
[Unknown6]: see that you know i think you know race played a part in

896
00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:27,771
[Unknown7]: yeah

897
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,240
[Unknown6]: some of the promotions that i didn't get and some of the areas that i wasn't

898
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,600
[Unknown6]: brought in and i also realized that in almost almost all of the organizations that

899
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,360
[Unknown6]: i was in that within the level that i was on i was the only african american

900
00:38:43,291 --> 00:38:44,291
[Unknown7]: wow

901
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,600
[Unknown6]: right so i also understand that that that pool is also very small as well

902
00:38:51,071 --> 00:38:55,071
[Unknown7]: well i think race is a big topic and backgrounds and

903
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,600
[Unknown6]: well i think race is a big topic and backgrounds and

904
00:38:56,431 --> 00:38:59,951
[Unknown7]: all of the different socioeconomic groups play a role and

905
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,480
[Unknown6]: all of the different socioeconomic groups play a role and

906
00:39:01,711 --> 00:39:06,111
[Unknown7]: it's going to happen in organizations i just hope that we're turning the corner uh

907
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,160
[Unknown6]: it's going to happen in organizations i just hope that we're turning the corner

908
00:39:06,351 --> 00:39:07,791
[Unknown7]: where it plays less of a role

909
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,320
[Unknown6]: where it plays less of a role

910
00:39:09,151 --> 00:39:10,191
[Unknown7]: and we're starting to see

911
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,720
[Unknown6]: and we're starting to see equal footing for everybody no matter what your affinity

912
00:39:11,231 --> 00:39:16,031
[Unknown7]: equal footing for everybody no matter what your affinity group is that we're all

913
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,440
[Unknown6]: group is that we're all on the same playing field going for the same jobs and

914
00:39:16,111 --> 00:39:20,191
[Unknown7]: in the same playing field going for the same jobs and being judged based on our

915
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,840
[Unknown6]: being judged based on our talent our ability to communicate our grip as you said

916
00:39:20,271 --> 00:39:26,511
[Unknown7]: talent our ability to communicate our grit as you said our gs profile you know all

917
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,600
[Unknown6]: our ds profile

918
00:39:26,591 --> 00:39:27,791
[Unknown7]: of the good things about

919
00:39:28,831 --> 00:39:34,751
[Unknown7]: human behavior and some of those dated legacy components are starting to drift

920
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,720
[Unknown6]: components are starting to drift away yeah absolutely absolutely

921
00:39:34,291 --> 00:39:35,291
[Unknown7]: away

922
00:39:38,031 --> 00:39:40,351
[Unknown7]: so comin what's one thing that you have done

923
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
[Unknown6]: so kalvin what's one thing that you have done

924
00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:46,031
[Unknown7]: to invest in yourself in the last year that you feel feel really good about that

925
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,800
[Unknown6]: to invest in yourself in the last year that you feel really good about that you

926
00:39:46,111 --> 00:39:47,871
[Unknown7]: you would like to share with our audience

927
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880
[Unknown6]: would like to share with our audience

928
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,480
[Unknown6]: so one thing i've done to invest in myself well um one you know i believe all

929
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,360
[Unknown6]: coaches and i say this to our coach coach community all coaches need a coach

930
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,120
[Unknown6]: there's no question about it if you're coaching other people and you're not being

931
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,240
[Unknown6]: coached yourself um you are you're you're limiting yourself and i don't think

932
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,040
[Unknown6]: you're showing up authentically for for the people that you support and then

933
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,960
[Unknown6]: another thing because i do believe in learning and i'm a lifelong learner i

934
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,400
[Unknown6]: recently started um a doctoral program

935
00:40:24,931 --> 00:40:25,931
[Unknown7]: it's a

936
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,680
[Unknown6]: and so so that is that

937
00:40:27,331 --> 00:40:28,331
[Unknown7]: that

938
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,320
[Unknown6]: has been just amazing experience

939
00:40:30,971 --> 00:40:31,971
[Unknown7]: speed up

940
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440
[Unknown6]: because it's in the area of

941
00:40:33,011 --> 00:40:34,011
[Unknown7]: up

942
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,400
[Unknown6]: coaching and the work that i do and so really

943
00:40:36,531 --> 00:40:37,531
[Unknown7]: it

944
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,560
[Unknown6]: expanding not only my understanding but really understanding just additional

945
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:43,700
[Unknown6]: things that you know

946
00:40:43,571 --> 00:40:44,571
[Unknown7]: what

947
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
[Unknown6]: what makes us as humans tick

948
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,760
[Unknown6]: and really how to unlock even greater potential within individuals so that's kind

949
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,720
[Unknown6]: of where i've been investing my time and and and my mind

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[Unknown7]: kelvin i love it and if if somebody wanted to get a hold of you and and have a

951
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,560
[Unknown6]: kelvin i love it and if if somebody wanted to get a hold of you and have a chat

952
00:41:03,791 --> 00:41:08,671
[Unknown7]: chat with you or or just connect with you whats the best platform to do that on

953
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,920
[Unknown6]: with you or or just connect with you what's the best platform to do that on you

954
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,000
[Unknown6]: can do that on linkedin you could also reach out to me at kelvin dot thomas at

955
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,200
[Unknown6]: legu dot com

956
00:41:17,871 --> 00:41:22,191
[Unknown7]: okay terrific we'll put that in the show notes for those that are driving we don't

957
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,400
[Unknown6]: okay terrific and we'll put that in the show notes for those that are driving we

958
00:41:22,191 --> 00:41:26,191
[Unknown7]: want you to pull over and try to type that into your phone we will put that in the

959
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,480
[Unknown6]: don't want you to pull over and try to type that into your phone we will put that

960
00:41:26,091 --> 00:41:27,091
[Unknown7]: show notes for everybody

961
00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:27,540
[Unknown6]: in the show notes for everybody

962
00:41:28,271 --> 00:41:32,591
[Unknown7]: kelvin i want to thank you uh for joining us today this has been a terrific

963
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,120
[Unknown6]: kelvin i want to thank you for joining us today this has been a terrific

964
00:41:32,671 --> 00:41:37,471
[Unknown7]: discussion i really feel like we got under the hood in some areas of coaching but

965
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,000
[Unknown6]: discussion i really feel like we got under the hood in some areas of coaching but

966
00:41:37,631 --> 00:41:42,431
[Unknown7]: really around measuring impact treating people the right way you know growing

967
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,960
[Unknown6]: really around measuring impact treating people the right way you know growing

968
00:41:42,511 --> 00:41:47,311
[Unknown7]: teams so this was a really lovely discussion and really appreciate having you on

969
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,760
[Unknown6]: teams so this was a really lovely discussion and really appreciate having you on

970
00:41:46,931 --> 00:41:47,931
[Unknown7]: the show

971
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,320
[Unknown6]: the show well thanks for having me and uh hello hello again everyone hopefully

972
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,240
[Unknown6]: hopefully you walk away with something that's gonna help you and your team

973
00:41:56,531 --> 00:41:57,531
[Unknown7]: yeah

974
00:41:57,471 --> 00:42:01,951
[Unknown7]: absolutely and thank you all for joining the talent empowerment podcast i hope

975
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,320
[Unknown6]: yeah absolutely and thank you all for joining the talent empowerment podcast i

976
00:42:02,111 --> 00:42:06,991
[Unknown7]: this conversation lifted you up so you can lift up your teams and organizations as

977
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,080
[Unknown6]: hope this conversation lifted you

978
00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,471
[Unknown7]: i like to say around here let's get back to